shook on3 overrated?

[Ephrum]

Maaan, just because he can't make it to the 1v1's doesn't mean he's a garbage FFA player... I watched a few games that he was in on VoD in Florida, and he was top 4 in both of the ones I watched... sooo... in my opinion... shooK is a better FFA player then me...because I'd probably get knocked out first round in the AM bracket...

[SmeaGz]

Originally Posted by Ephrum

Maaan, just because he can't make it to the 1v1's doesn't mean he's a garbage FFA player... I watched a few games that he was in on VoD in Florida, and he was top 4 in both of the ones I watched... sooo... in my opinion... shooK is a better FFA player then me...because I'd probably get knocked out first round in the AM bracket...

are you kidding? go get drunk, don your sub zero suit, and with your aura of awesomeness emitting to everyone in the room...you'll automatically get top 16 guaranteed. no can touch the 'sub...

im sorry for spam, but i still cant get over your ingenious crafting while "influcenced" hahaha

[QUINN]

Originally Posted by SmeaGz

are you kidding? go get drunk, don your sub zero suit, and with your aura of awesomeness emitting to everyone in the room...you'll automatically get top 16 guaranteed. no can touch the 'sub...

im sorry for spam, but i still cant get over your ingenious crafting while "influcenced" hahaha

Wow, im going out on a limb here, but this is the best post ever on GV.com Smeagz your so right. When cF goes to MLG for our first time, Ephrum you will be wearing your sub zero outfit. Dont even try to say you wont wear it or your off the team haha.

[iReV]

i dont think shook is overrated. i think the reason why people probably think highly of him is because he puts out a lot of entertaining montages and is well known throughout the community.

not to insult anyone here, but shook is not BAD at ffa. granted he's not the best ffa player out there, but he consistently makes it to the 3rd or 4th round in the AM bracket ffa, which would place him around in the top 128 bracket. this isn't bad considering ffa now has almost over 1000+ entrants nowadays.

the fact is that in h2 teamwork is much more important than individual skill, and i think s1G is probably by far the greatest example of a team that overall does not do well in ffa, but is a consistent TOP 10 team. fact is most pros (i'm talking established pros) respect players more if they have good teamwork skills than if your simply a good ffa player. it would also be important to note that a lot of pros out there DONT make it to the 1v1 portion finals, nor even rank amongst the top30 ffa.

shook is usually a 3rd-4th round exiter in ffa.
vegetto is not good at ffa than also by these standards, since he got a 2nd round exit @ orlando.
pyrocy i believe does not even participate in the ffa.
lightking is the only 'good' ffa player on their team, he usually get a 5th-6th round exit.

yet lets look at at top ffa standings in h2.

hulk, waldox, hali, lobster 21, riooOOooo, donut 5six1, eli da ninja, fak3 tittys, xshook, wh0o_kid, I Got Cats, Hae_Wonka, TimeliestBrute, ask_legendpimps are all players that are within the top 30 (read consistent pro bracket ffa'ers) who can barely make it past 1st or 2nd round in the pro brackets. a lot of these players (waldox and hali esp come to mind) have beaten the likes of ogre1&2, walshy, strongside, in the 1v1 portion of the tournament, yet they dont seem to be able to propel their team anywhere. lol i believe hali (who was hyped as the person to dethrone karma in 1v1) teamed with ksi nightmare (G-Sp0t & panda's team), and they got beat in the open bracket this time around.

its my belief that a lot of the established pros (esp FB) dont even practice ffa anymore, since the last two tourneys they haven't even made it to the 1v1. examples of good 'team players' who aren't all that hot in ffa.

saiyan (doesn't even compete in AM bracket ffa anymore past 3 tournies)
pyrocy (same)
Gandhi (he was on fire orlando. in '05 he got eliminated first round in las vegas)
KillerN (ok he's amongst top 30 ffa'ers and has made it to the 1v1 at NY, but he's widely regarded as a top 5 slayer in the game, yet he's 19th in the ffa)
t2 (i dont think he competes in ffa anymore either)

guys from FBI michigan usually make it to 4-5th round, but they are a top 10 team as well.

the list really goes on and on. 4v4 is just more the core game in halo 2. in a game where straight up br battles are usually within one shot, and the person who shoots first is the one who usually wins (straight up i mean), team shooting, forcing advantageous spawns, and overall playikng for the team are much more important than four shotting people all the time (which really gets your no where).

[QUINN]

Not to put you down, but my good friend Legacy(went by Hockeydefense at MLG Orlando) got knocked out 3rd round of amatuer FFA his first ever MLG event, and he got killed by the top screen, screen peeking at him the whole time. And I promise you he will tell you he is far from Pro material, so why do you think Shook is pro material if he cant get further then my friend does, and he attends every event? Also the FFA is up over 1000 people now.

As for T2 I believe he is one of the worst player on the pro circuit as well. You often see him get out BR'd it happens several times a game, he is very weak with any weapon this is not considered a power weapon.

[PhaLanX]

Its because Legacy is a much better FFA player than he is a team player. Shook is a better team player than an FFA player.

[iReV]

as to people's criticism of shook in the lockout game. i'll agree they got lucky at chicago (based on the fact that str8 rippin is a much better team than s1G from an individual and team based standpoint), but i dont think shook played badly.

in the play where he nades vegetto, the reason he nades him is because he notices plasma nades being banked behind him. if you wear headphones (which i do) you can hear a first plasma nade bounce off the top wall and miss the back br ramp e's standing on, the second one is fairly near him.) i'm guessing shook though the nades were being banked from underneath from someone around sword spawn ramp to bottom br. and naded the place from where vegetto was because he thought he was probably 1) going to die anyways 2) was about to get attacked from that location. obviously him killing his teammate right htere was bad, but i dont think it was an unreasonable choice.

s1G actually played the lockout game very well, especially against a team they were (and probably knew) were outclassed by. str8 rippin (on lockout) seems to use a strategy (when they're behind) of holding one tower with snipe (usually t2) and cross mapping for a bit. they usually end up sending one player with sword or two players to rush the other side of hte map and kill people to force goofy spawns. once the other team is disorganized due to spawn positions, they proceed to clean out br tower. what s1G did in the game was good, because facing a team that they cannot match in straight out battle, (and givne their massive lead in the beginning), it was probably a better idea to just get killed when mosto f your teammates were down that to run to some obscure part of the map and end up spawning far away from each other. s1g played very tight knit that game and stuck to pure strategy. this isn't a bad idea when you know you're up against a superior team.

[QUINN]

I will not argue the fact that S1G played some good games in Chicago. But they went way further then they should have. And I also consider shook to be the worst player on a team that uses his name for there team name. Shook 1 gaming? Seriously I know what S1G is, but he is not that good

[iReV]

i said it once and i'll say it again. h2 is all about teamwork. everyone says it like they know what they're talking about, but really i dont think 90% of the people do. if you did, you wouldn't think zyos was a bad player. if anything zyos was probably one of the smartest players in the game. t2 is good at sniping (which is a much more important trait than you may think) esp on maps like lockout and sanct flag. a good sniper on lockout (on the pro level) makes teams play much more defensively and limits the positions in which the other team will attempt to move. it gives you upper map dominance and makes your corner of the map secure. like i said before most pros respect someone who is a good team player rather than someone who can just place high in the ffa.

you would have an argument with h1, since skill actually made a huge difference in that game, but that's not the game in question. fact is t2 was a damn good h1 player as well.

eli the ninja is a perfect example of someone who destroys ffa and who cannot play team games worth a damn.

and as to why does shook deserve to be pro? it should be obvious. consistent top 10 team. they've played plenty of of would be pro teams who come out of the AM bracket, but i don't think we've seen a single top 10 team thats come entirely from the AM bracket.

[QUINN]

Plenty of people know what they are talking about,I for one have payed close attention to MLG for quite some time. I have played the role of Objective man on my previous team, and have moved into more a slayer role. I never once said Zyos was bad, but explain to me why is smartest player in the game didnt work better then Sam when they both play the same role? Also 2 maps with Sniper on board in MLG, if anything that is the most over rated trait in MLG. Take Gandhi for Example, I think you and I will both agree that Shockwav3 is a better sniper, but Gandhi will always make contact with his sniper bullets making an easy 2 snipe kill or single Br kill afterwards. Wile T2 is good with power weapons, and great sniper just like Shook, there skills dont go much further then that.