Will the plane take off :: The Ultimate Debate

[AgeofBlades]

The plane would take off. The actual speed and wheels do absolutely nothing to the planes actual lift. The plane only has to get a certain amount of air passing under the fold of its wings in order for it to take off. The wheels in many aspects are the conveyor belts property and will there for contain no drag or friction to the plane. It will cause no movement of the plane but at the same time the engines will still be pushing oxygen and small amounts of nitrogen through. Thus creating no difference in the planes take off procedure. Now landing would be a different story.

[AMidgetAndAClub]

Originally Posted by dandamanyo22

I did read but mabye you didn't

He said that wheels on the plane are there just to make it so the plane doesn't touch the ground with the body. But they do more than just that they have brakes on them which also stop the plane from landing on the ground and flying off the runway because it can't stop.

it had nothing to do with can it lift off the ground or not.

Your post holds no relevance to this discussion.

[QUINN]

Originally Posted by dandamanyo22

I did read but mabye you didn't

He said that wheels on the plane are there just to make it so the plane doesn't touch the ground with the body. But they do more than just that they have brakes on them which also stop the plane from landing on the ground and flying off the runway because it can't stop.

it had nothing to do with can it lift off the ground or not.

You still don't get it, brakes and wheels are completely different. Wheels dont have brakes on them, brakes are a separate piece of the puzzle, they cause friction to stop the wheels and ultimately stop the plane they are not one in the same. Like I said please read your last post before you decide to post again. Wheels do exactly what Midget says that is there only function. Either way this is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand

[AgeofBlades]

Think of wheels on a plane as the front wheel of a bike....

[AMidgetAndAClub]

Originally Posted by AgeofBlades

Think of wheels on a plane as the front wheel of a bike....

That is the best analogy EVER! I wish they would have used this on HT and MA as an analogy.

[Yuk]

I don't think it will take off.

You're right about the wheels not being important.

What is important is relative motion, as Phalanx said. However, due to the conveyor the relative motion of the plane to earth is 0 (imagine yourself sitting on the plane - what would you see in terms of motion). Also the relative motion of the plane to air is whatever the natural windspeed is (imagine a wind speed gauge on the plane - it will read whatever speed the wind is blowing).

What forces would cause the plane to take off if plane to earth and plane to wind speed are basically 0?

[dandamanyo22]

it doesn't make sense how it lifts off tho

you're taking lift out of the plane taking off because its not getting any air under the wings, its only getting thrust forward but not going anywhere.

Edit:

Originally Posted by AgeofBlades

Think of wheels on a plane as the front wheel of a bike....

drive a unicycle

[AMidgetAndAClub]

Originally Posted by dandamanyo22

it doesn't make sense how it lifts off tho

From moving forward.

[SmeaGz]

i think itll take off.


has someone like mythbusters tried this?

[dandamanyo22]

Originally Posted by AMidgetAndAClub

From moving forward.

but its not moving forward its staying in the same spot

it's like the treadmill going 0 mph and the plane going 0 mph

they equal each other out